somegchuh
12-18 04:53 PM
2,
I completely understand your pain. I have been here since 1998 and have a EB2 PD of 2002. And the dates are back to 2000. It seems like I can never get the ducks in a row. First my case gets stuck in PBEC. It take me 4+ years to get out of it. Then the RD at NSC is not current. When the RD turns current the PD retrogresses. Off course not to mention that I am waiting for name check to clear. The process is not linear. Some ppl are able to get thru it all in a very short time and some are stuck for years and years.
I have gone thru some of the depression that you talk about. The only way out for me to realize was that either I take it or leave it. That's how I view the whole process. If I am going to take it then I need to have a plan for what I am going to do with my GC. I know one thing for sure, I am going to take a long vacation as soon as I get it :) Just getting too old and tired for the same old same old.
Been in the US since 1998, have an EB-2 PD of 2001, have played by the rules all along. Still no GC... And, the dates are going back to 2000 from the new year.. I've lost hopes...
I'm pretty close to getting clinical depression because of this game played by USCIS, Labor Dept, FBI and my own bad luck.
SKILL bill, OMNIBUS, etc. comes and goes. IV does seem to be doing things to lobby for the community, but let's face one reality. Like a news article said, no one in congress or senate wants to touch immigration even with a long pole until 2009.
The US has been very good to me (other than the GC part), more than my home country (India) which is why I'm still here.
Have invested too much of time in this country to just pack up and go. Just curious if any of you feel this way? How do you handle such depressing feelings?
I completely understand your pain. I have been here since 1998 and have a EB2 PD of 2002. And the dates are back to 2000. It seems like I can never get the ducks in a row. First my case gets stuck in PBEC. It take me 4+ years to get out of it. Then the RD at NSC is not current. When the RD turns current the PD retrogresses. Off course not to mention that I am waiting for name check to clear. The process is not linear. Some ppl are able to get thru it all in a very short time and some are stuck for years and years.
I have gone thru some of the depression that you talk about. The only way out for me to realize was that either I take it or leave it. That's how I view the whole process. If I am going to take it then I need to have a plan for what I am going to do with my GC. I know one thing for sure, I am going to take a long vacation as soon as I get it :) Just getting too old and tired for the same old same old.
Been in the US since 1998, have an EB-2 PD of 2001, have played by the rules all along. Still no GC... And, the dates are going back to 2000 from the new year.. I've lost hopes...
I'm pretty close to getting clinical depression because of this game played by USCIS, Labor Dept, FBI and my own bad luck.
SKILL bill, OMNIBUS, etc. comes and goes. IV does seem to be doing things to lobby for the community, but let's face one reality. Like a news article said, no one in congress or senate wants to touch immigration even with a long pole until 2009.
The US has been very good to me (other than the GC part), more than my home country (India) which is why I'm still here.
Have invested too much of time in this country to just pack up and go. Just curious if any of you feel this way? How do you handle such depressing feelings?
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malibuguy007
02-18 03:42 PM
I disagree. Changes in laws do not happen overnight and any efforts that core is making cannot be made public all the time. If they can get thousands of people the benefit of moving to EAD etc. then I am sure they are working behind the scenes to get more favorable changes done when the time is right. I have faith in their ability.
Moreover since I am not actively volunteering in any activities the least I can do is contribute. So I call on everyone to contribute for your cause - none of us is doing anyone a favor by contributing. We are DIRECTLY favoring us by making a contribution.
I guess the reason most of the people are not contributing is because they do not see any strategy going forward. I am sure IV core is working hard on the issues but there is lack of clarity as an organization.When the bulletins come out and dates dont move forward significantly, people start with various ideas ranging from flower campaign to eliminating country cap to EB3 - EB2 portability to ....( Most of them die by the middle of the month).If we look at the past, contribution campaigns have been successful ( up to reasonable extent) when there is a favorable bill on the floor and people see some hope. I remember till last year there was a guy ( I think Chandu13 ) who tried to motivate people for contribution by calling them coward, lazy.....Believe me it never worked...
So I think it is time to get serious and have some synergy and that might motivate people to come forward, participate and contribute.
Good Luck.
Moreover since I am not actively volunteering in any activities the least I can do is contribute. So I call on everyone to contribute for your cause - none of us is doing anyone a favor by contributing. We are DIRECTLY favoring us by making a contribution.
I guess the reason most of the people are not contributing is because they do not see any strategy going forward. I am sure IV core is working hard on the issues but there is lack of clarity as an organization.When the bulletins come out and dates dont move forward significantly, people start with various ideas ranging from flower campaign to eliminating country cap to EB3 - EB2 portability to ....( Most of them die by the middle of the month).If we look at the past, contribution campaigns have been successful ( up to reasonable extent) when there is a favorable bill on the floor and people see some hope. I remember till last year there was a guy ( I think Chandu13 ) who tried to motivate people for contribution by calling them coward, lazy.....Believe me it never worked...
So I think it is time to get serious and have some synergy and that might motivate people to come forward, participate and contribute.
Good Luck.
Legal
07-27 11:39 AM
Its unfortunate that you ask us to UNITE and use 'EB2 elitist protectionism' in the same breath. I am not even going down the road of EB3 'smarter' than EB2 because a reverse argument is equally valid if not more. The law as stated above is what it is - there is a clear categorizaton established by law. If there is a level of frustration with it then a campaign to change it makes sense. However any proposed changes that arbitrarily assigns visa numbers just because 'my HR filed it the way it got filed' then you need to check with your HR and port over to EB2 - if you think your private US degree qualifies you for it. The position determines EB2 or EB3 and I'll leave it at that.
I have no problems in people expressing their opinion in an open forum and lobbying for change. The devil is in the detail. If the change means taking the EB2 excess visas to give to EB3 purely based on length of wait then I have every right to present another point of view - elitist protectionism or not.
I have only seen implications to this effect but nobody has come forward and said it plainly - yes we are EB3 and we want the EB2 excess visas because we have waited seven years. Everybody seems to imply it but nobody wants to call it as plainly as I stated it above. I am only presenting a counter to that.
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I have no problems in people expressing their opinion in an open forum and lobbying for change. The devil is in the detail. If the change means taking the EB2 excess visas to give to EB3 purely based on length of wait then I have every right to present another point of view - elitist protectionism or not.
I have only seen implications to this effect but nobody has come forward and said it plainly - yes we are EB3 and we want the EB2 excess visas because we have waited seven years. Everybody seems to imply it but nobody wants to call it as plainly as I stated it above. I am only presenting a counter to that.
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RandyK
05-23 08:52 AM
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anandrajesh
12-12 03:32 PM
zI have mentioned IV to a some Indians. They have no interest. Some of them are not bothered about retrogression. They exepect the GC to fall in their lap while they are sipping tea and eating samosa.
Also, it is hard to trust a mainly Indian set up. The Indian contracting companies have set a very shameless level. I told my friends that IV appears different but it is hard to change your opinion when you see something else 10 times a day.
I apolozie to the sensitive Indians if I this is breaking news. But this is the general feeling and a reason for hate in the blogs: where there is smoke there is fire. It is embarassing.
You hit the nail right on the head. The Indian Contracting Coz do a shameless job and so are some of the Indians who shamelessly cook their resumes up to match any reqt.
I have an American Lead who interviewed this indian guy over the telephone and he did appear very smart, but when he joined our company he was plain dumb and didnt know anything. Apparently somebody else attended his telephone interview. Talk about breaking FAITH i have built all these years. He doesnt trust Indians anymore. Who is to be blamed here???
Also, it is hard to trust a mainly Indian set up. The Indian contracting companies have set a very shameless level. I told my friends that IV appears different but it is hard to change your opinion when you see something else 10 times a day.
I apolozie to the sensitive Indians if I this is breaking news. But this is the general feeling and a reason for hate in the blogs: where there is smoke there is fire. It is embarassing.
You hit the nail right on the head. The Indian Contracting Coz do a shameless job and so are some of the Indians who shamelessly cook their resumes up to match any reqt.
I have an American Lead who interviewed this indian guy over the telephone and he did appear very smart, but when he joined our company he was plain dumb and didnt know anything. Apparently somebody else attended his telephone interview. Talk about breaking FAITH i have built all these years. He doesnt trust Indians anymore. Who is to be blamed here???
anilsal
10-08 01:58 PM
Gatorade: "Is it in you?"
Microsoft: "Your potential, Our Passion" (Replace word Our with IV)
Nike: "Just Do It"
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Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our Trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O�er the land of the free and the home of the brave
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner
The country will eventually provide you permanent residence. The question is "do you have the bravery the country expects"?
Suggestion: Get involved with state chapter activities. :)
Microsoft: "Your potential, Our Passion" (Replace word Our with IV)
Nike: "Just Do It"
------------------
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our Trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O�er the land of the free and the home of the brave
------------------
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner
The country will eventually provide you permanent residence. The question is "do you have the bravery the country expects"?
Suggestion: Get involved with state chapter activities. :)
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hindu_king
05-08 03:17 PM
I dont believe in flower/food/sos campaigns to resolve this problem...just because it worked once before doesnt mean it is going to work again..have we pursued a class action lawsuit against Department of State/Labor/USCIS for unlawful discrimination based on the country of birth in Employment Based Visas. Any idea if IV core ever took up this path? Can we attempt to do this? What are the costs involved and can we get some good lawyer representation to this goal?
Absolutely we should do it. It's going to be expensive but we should at least try to talk to a lawyer first and find out if this is winnable. Lawyers can quickly examine (for some hourly fee) and determine if indeed these Country Caps are a violation of US discrimination laws. If Lawyer says we got a point to argue then we can ask the lawyer what the costs are going to be to bring the lawsuit. Thats part 2 and thats a different story. If it's going to cost something like a 100,000 dollars, we can try to raise the money somehow. or maybe we can make it part of the law suit that if we win the case, the losing party will pay the legal fees. we need to talk to lawyers first about this issue and we can do it individually.
Absolutely we should do it. It's going to be expensive but we should at least try to talk to a lawyer first and find out if this is winnable. Lawyers can quickly examine (for some hourly fee) and determine if indeed these Country Caps are a violation of US discrimination laws. If Lawyer says we got a point to argue then we can ask the lawyer what the costs are going to be to bring the lawsuit. Thats part 2 and thats a different story. If it's going to cost something like a 100,000 dollars, we can try to raise the money somehow. or maybe we can make it part of the law suit that if we win the case, the losing party will pay the legal fees. we need to talk to lawyers first about this issue and we can do it individually.
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maine_gc
08-07 03:50 PM
My EAD ND is June 11th and waiting for the approval.
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Maverick1
10-09 05:10 PM
"Sorry, we are closed now." ???
Heck, no !!! I want fries with that !!!
With transfat or without transfat ?
Heck, no !!! I want fries with that !!!
With transfat or without transfat ?
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tonyHK12
02-17 04:57 PM
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abracadabra
07-07 11:06 PM
Anything less then 50,000 is not acceptable, If people are very hurted by this fiasco, they need to step, one polish women filed the law suit, we are still here discussion here, including me.
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like_watching_paint_dry
12-10 11:51 AM
Why don't you move back to Britain or whichever country you or your ancestors came from? Also, a lot of wealth in the US has been created by these people who "slam into someone else's country." So your argument has little validity. Maybe I should not be wasting my time in responding to xenophobes.
Dont waste your breath on these benefit scrounging, trailer trash dwelling, racist redneck xenophobes. He's just concerned he wont be able to buy viagra with your social security and medicare taxes if you stay and happen to depend on them some day.
Dont waste your breath on these benefit scrounging, trailer trash dwelling, racist redneck xenophobes. He's just concerned he wont be able to buy viagra with your social security and medicare taxes if you stay and happen to depend on them some day.
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cram
06-15 09:53 AM
My lawyer sent the applications on June 1st and we have the receipts already. They cashed the checks by June 6th.
Did you send it to TSC or NSC.
Did you send it to TSC or NSC.
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53885
05-23 11:19 AM
Logiclife,
Is there any reason to send emails to 2 + 10 senators only? If recommended I can send to all senators later today or tomorrow.
Also i will reformat the template in Word and fax it to 12 senators.
Is there any reason to send emails to 2 + 10 senators only? If recommended I can send to all senators later today or tomorrow.
Also i will reformat the template in Word and fax it to 12 senators.
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chandarc
07-21 10:24 AM
chandarc July 12 2010 --------------- Automated email response
First I like to thank you all those whose support me in this action of trying to eliminate the country and category based spillover usage. I see that there are lot of unrelated comments and discussions going on in this forum, let's not get ourself diverted and please focus on our mission to try to implement the usage of spill over visas based on priority date. There may be some unrelated comments still coming in, also some may discourage our actions, let's please ignore those, instead of responding (which just feeds them to write more).
I like to know who all have already contacted their local Congressman/woman for this issue. so let's take a poll by adding your IV id to the following list,
IV Id----------------Week of Contact-------------------Any update
Sanhari --------------- July 12 2010 --------------- Automated email response
Thanks again to all those who support this cause, let's continue to do our part and hope for the best for us to happen soon....
First I like to thank you all those whose support me in this action of trying to eliminate the country and category based spillover usage. I see that there are lot of unrelated comments and discussions going on in this forum, let's not get ourself diverted and please focus on our mission to try to implement the usage of spill over visas based on priority date. There may be some unrelated comments still coming in, also some may discourage our actions, let's please ignore those, instead of responding (which just feeds them to write more).
I like to know who all have already contacted their local Congressman/woman for this issue. so let's take a poll by adding your IV id to the following list,
IV Id----------------Week of Contact-------------------Any update
Sanhari --------------- July 12 2010 --------------- Automated email response
Thanks again to all those who support this cause, let's continue to do our part and hope for the best for us to happen soon....
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gc28262
03-06 05:29 PM
If country-cap is meant to promote diversity, it should be based on percentage of each ethnic group in US population. Indians and Chinese are a minority in this country.
In that case, we should not have any caps.
In that case, we should not have any caps.
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gc_on_demand
09-10 10:11 AM
Either the US Consulate got the EB-3 India date wrong or there was a typo in the Oct Visa Bulletin. I wish/hope there was a typo in the bulletin and Mumbai consulate got it right....Cut Off Dates- Consulate General of the United States Mumbai, India (http://mumbai.usconsulate.gov/cut_off_dates.html)
You can check dates on phone line of DHS.Phone number is at bottom of bulletin.
You can check dates on phone line of DHS.Phone number is at bottom of bulletin.
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sankap
07-10 02:42 PM
I'm not saying that "H-1B job is permanent:" you're inferring again! I hold that *no* job in this country is "permanent" (legally speaking). My question to you was if no H1B is "permanent" (as you opine), then how can you prove that the AC20 job on H1B is or isn't "permanent?" So if that job is not "permanent," how do you convince/mention that in as RVE-EVL?
As per info on that page, it says clearly
"The H-1B program allows an employer to temporarily employ a foreign worker in the U.S. on a nonimmigrant basis in a specialty occupation or as a fashion model of distinguished merit and ability"
How can you say that any H-1B job is permanent? Now, you don't want to believe even the dol web page.
I have always maintained that Permanent Job is a full-time work that has no fixed end date. H1B petition always have fixed end date.
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As per info on that page, it says clearly
"The H-1B program allows an employer to temporarily employ a foreign worker in the U.S. on a nonimmigrant basis in a specialty occupation or as a fashion model of distinguished merit and ability"
How can you say that any H-1B job is permanent? Now, you don't want to believe even the dol web page.
I have always maintained that Permanent Job is a full-time work that has no fixed end date. H1B petition always have fixed end date.
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number30
05-04 09:30 PM
Hello Sir,
While opinions are good and welcome. My requirement is to see the exact INA language.
I have read the INA Sec 203 multiple times, I could not find the link between ebquota and ebdependents. May be I am missing it. Can some one show the exact lines in INA ?
Think about this "5 year old derivative kid" is counted in ebquota. How did the kid qualify for ebquota ? The law clearly says "to qualified immigrants who are aliens described in any of the following subparagraphs" and then goes on to say the exact qualification.
Don't take me out of context. I do want the kid to get greencard, however I am against the kid being counted in ebquota.
I am yet to get the access to ( I am a recent donor ) donor thread that refers the exact INA language. Can some other donor post the exact INA language in this thread ?
Thanks
I spoke with our attorney
He said
INA Sec 203 talks only about the eligibility to apply the I-485. But the visa number is derived from a relationship to Principal applicant of green card. This is true for all categories Including investor, asylum, Employment categories. Please note that It is Dept of State that is responsible for this allocation not USCIS.
While opinions are good and welcome. My requirement is to see the exact INA language.
I have read the INA Sec 203 multiple times, I could not find the link between ebquota and ebdependents. May be I am missing it. Can some one show the exact lines in INA ?
Think about this "5 year old derivative kid" is counted in ebquota. How did the kid qualify for ebquota ? The law clearly says "to qualified immigrants who are aliens described in any of the following subparagraphs" and then goes on to say the exact qualification.
Don't take me out of context. I do want the kid to get greencard, however I am against the kid being counted in ebquota.
I am yet to get the access to ( I am a recent donor ) donor thread that refers the exact INA language. Can some other donor post the exact INA language in this thread ?
Thanks
I spoke with our attorney
He said
INA Sec 203 talks only about the eligibility to apply the I-485. But the visa number is derived from a relationship to Principal applicant of green card. This is true for all categories Including investor, asylum, Employment categories. Please note that It is Dept of State that is responsible for this allocation not USCIS.
simple1
05-04 10:39 PM
22CFR 42.32 is not INA.
22CFR 42.32 is not the law.
INA is the law.
See the post of "vbkris77".
The specific law is at: 22CFR 42.32
(http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2007/aprqtr/pdf/22cfr42.32.pdf)
And it specifically states that the derivative is entitled to same "classification".
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(2) Entitlement to derivative status.
.......is entitled to a derivative status corresponding to the classification and priority date of the beneficiary of the petition.
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22CFR 42.32 is not the law.
INA is the law.
See the post of "vbkris77".
The specific law is at: 22CFR 42.32
(http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2007/aprqtr/pdf/22cfr42.32.pdf)
And it specifically states that the derivative is entitled to same "classification".
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(2) Entitlement to derivative status.
.......is entitled to a derivative status corresponding to the classification and priority date of the beneficiary of the petition.
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jchan
05-01 01:40 PM
jchan,
I believe, the family quota is not very farbehind. Defiantly not 4 years.
Even if it is 4 years. She has EAD and AP to hold on to. Instead of both being stuckup it would be better atleast one reaches shore immediately.
Well, you assume family members can get AP and EAD after submitting I-485. Not true for many people. Take myself as an example, I was not lucky enough to file my I485 in 2007. So with a PD of early 2007, I have none of the benefit from AOS at all.
Although for me it's not a big deal because my wife will soon get her PhD and will file for her own immigration petition. This actually works better for us, because it will make the line much shorter and both of us will get the green card much quicker.
However, for those who do not work and solely depend on their spouses to get green card. This change can spell disaster for them during the long wait caused by retrogression without the ability to file AOS.
I believe, the family quota is not very farbehind. Defiantly not 4 years.
Even if it is 4 years. She has EAD and AP to hold on to. Instead of both being stuckup it would be better atleast one reaches shore immediately.
Well, you assume family members can get AP and EAD after submitting I-485. Not true for many people. Take myself as an example, I was not lucky enough to file my I485 in 2007. So with a PD of early 2007, I have none of the benefit from AOS at all.
Although for me it's not a big deal because my wife will soon get her PhD and will file for her own immigration petition. This actually works better for us, because it will make the line much shorter and both of us will get the green card much quicker.
However, for those who do not work and solely depend on their spouses to get green card. This change can spell disaster for them during the long wait caused by retrogression without the ability to file AOS.
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